To Florus 5.11
This new natural philosopher therefore passes over those points and declares false what we said: ‘Just as the clay taken up at the beginning was the material of the human being, not his maker (Genesis 2:7), so now that power of pleasure which produces and mixes the seed does not perform the role of God’s activity. Rather, from nature’s storehouses it offers God the material from which he deigns to make a human being.’ He testifies that I said this correctly, except for my statement that seed is produced by the power of pleasure. He philosophizes as follows: ‘That pleasure of fleshly desire does not produce seed. The seed is already in bodies, created by the true God. It is not made by pleasure, but is stirred and emitted with pleasure’ (Augustine, Marriage and Desire 2.26).
He plainly said this not through fraud but through failure to understand. By ‘the power of pleasure’ I meant the very constitution of the male body, which I had to call virility. This virility—to use a word we have now made familiar—consists in the structure and health of the genitals and internal organs. It supplies the powers of both appetite and performance, and I called it the power of pleasure and desire. I preferred ‘power of pleasure’ to simply ‘pleasure’ precisely to indicate the whole ardor felt both before and during the act. Those disabled in their genital organs, namely eunuchs, do not possess seed, although certain embers of the extinguished fire still stir them. Because a particular disability has deprived them of the strength of the parts by whose service seed is produced from internal fluids, they are incapable of generation. God therefore established a power in the body which, unfolding at the proper time and provided health is present, reaches the capacity for fertility. Seed is consequently produced in bodies with the help of mature puberty. That is why premature pleasure stimulates the immature, but without the laws of age its kindling spark remains sterile.
That seed is mixed with pleasure, yet that one pleasure floats upon the senses while another lies deeper within the organs and closer to the result, is discussed at great length in medical writers. Hence even the Mantuan poet, more knowledgeable about nature than the Carthaginians’ little philosopher, notes that cattle should be made lean: when familiar pleasure first draws them toward mating, they should be kept from leafy fodder and springs. Often people shake them up by running and exhaust them in the sun, when the threshing floor groans under grain heavily pounded and light chaff is carried away on the breeze. This is done so that excessive abundance does not make the generative field less responsive or clog its sluggish furrows; instead the inner parts should experience a certain dryness, and thus thirstily seize the mating fluid and store it more deeply within (Virgil, Georgics 3.130–137). But it is enough to have noted the man’s sharpness even in these matters, which are not greatly needed for the case.
Latin
Illis ergo praetermissis physicus iste novus falsum esse pronuntiat, quod nos diximus: Sicut tunc limus qui assumptus est, materia, non auctor hominis fuit, ita nunc vis illa voluptatis, confectrix commixtrixque seminum, non explet divinae operationis vicem; sed de thesauris naturae offert Deo, unde ille hominem dignetur operari. Quae tamen recte a me prolata testatur, sed excepto eo quod dixi, semina vi voluptatis confici; philosophaturque hoc modo: Voluptas, inquit, illa concupiscentiae carnalis non conficit semina, sed ea quae iam sunt in corporibus a vero Deo condita s, non fiunt voluptate, sed excitantur et emittuntur cum voluptate [n21] . Hoc sane apparet eum, non fraude, sed defectu intellegentiae protulisse. Vim quippe ego voluptatis, ipsam virilis corporis rationem pronuntiavi, cui necesse habui virilitatis nomen imponere. Ipsa ergo (quia trivimus iam hoc verbum) virilitas, in genitalium et viscerum compage ac sanitate consistens, quae et appetentiae et efficientiae vires ministrat, vis a me voluptatis et concupiscentiae nominata est. Ideo enim non voluptatem simpliciter, sed vim voluptatis appellare malui, ut universum illum ardorem, qui et ante opus, et in opere sentitur, ostenderem. Neque enim debilitati genitalibus membris, id est spadones, semen habent; cum certe quibusdam favillis moveantur ignis exstincti; at vero quoniam virtute partium, quarum ministerio conficiuntur de internis humoribus semina, speciali debilitate caruerunt, generationum non fiunt potentes. Sic ergo instituit Deus, ut esset vis in corpore, quae legitimis explicata temporibus, si adfuisset sanitas, ad fecunditatis valentiam perveniret. Conficiuntur itaque in corporibus semina, maturae pubertatis adiutu. Inde est quod impuberes stimulat quidem praecoqua voluptas, sed sine annorum legibus sterilis scintillat accensio. Quod autem cum voluptate semina misceantur, verum quod alia sit voluptas quae sensibus supernatat, alia viscerum interior et effectui propior, apud medicorum auctores latissime disputatur; unde ille etiam Mantuanus poeta naturalium gnarior quam philosophaster Poenorum, macie signat armenta tenuari, ut ubi concubitus primos voluptas nota sollicitat, et frondibus arceantur et fontibus. Saepe etiam cursu quatiunt, et sole fatigant; cum graviter tunsis area gemit frugibus, et leves paleae flatibus efferuntur. Hoc ideo, ne luxu nimio usus obtunsior sit genitali arvo, et sulcos oblimet inertes; sed siccitatem quamdam secreta patiantur; sicque rapiat sitiens venerem, interiusque recondat [n22] . Verum in his quoque, non multum causae necessariis, acumen hominis notasse sufficiat.
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Julian’s six preserved books to Florus, quoted section by section in Augustine’s unfinished reply. Augustine’s refutations are omitted. Latin of Julian’s words is on each section.
Julian’s own books do not survive as a separate manuscript. English follows his words as Augustine quotes them in the Unfinished Work Against Julian. Augustine’s replies are omitted. We do not restore a Julian text independent of Augustine.
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- Copy-text Augustine, Unfinished Work Against Julian (Latin · Julian’s words as quoted, Books 1–6)
- Checked print Augustinus.it Latin of the Unfinished Work (Latin · Same work)
- Checked print Migne PL 45 (Latin · Hard cases)
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