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Yet since the defender of inherited sin cannot move even a fingernail’s breadth away from it, and wears out my modesty with his rhetorical elegance over why the act of sexual union itself pleases different people, I choose to settle these points with the brevity appropriate to matters already treated. Both here and in passages below, where I said, “For this reason a man will leave father and mother and cling to his wife, and the two will be one flesh” (Genesis 2:24) (Genesis 3:7), and added that the prophet came close to endangering modesty in order to express faithfully what took place, he is delighted, as though he had found plunder. He exults and cries: “An entirely open confession, forced out by the power of truth! Let the reason be given why the prophet came close to endangering modesty when expressing God’s works. Can it really be that human works should cause no shame but be openly gloried in, while divine works are shameful? Can it really be that, when God’s works are spoken of and expressed, the prophet’s love or labor wins no honor, but his modesty is endangered? What could God have done that his spokesman would be ashamed to say? More seriously, should a human being be ashamed of some work that God, not man, has done in man, when all craftsmen labor and strive as much as they can not to be ashamed of their works? Surely what shames us is what shamed those first human beings when they covered their private parts (compare Genesis 3:7). It is the punishment of sin, the wound and trace of sin, the lure and fuel of sin, the law in our members fighting against the law of the mind (compare Romans 7:23). This causes shame, and rightly causes shame. For if this were not so, what could be more ungrateful or irreligious than for us to be ashamed in our members, not of our own fault or punishment, but of God’s works?” (Romans 7:23) (Augustine, On Marriage and Concupiscence 2.9.22).

His delight is certainly clear. He cannot put a bridle on his joy. He has hold of a statement of mine by which he thinks he can show that natural desire is evil and assign it to the devil’s works. He says that this statement was forced from my mouth by the power of truth, and proclaims that it is utterly wicked and profane if we acknowledge that things we say were made by God must be covered out of modesty. But, carried away by his excitement, he could not weigh what he was saying. He asserts that there is nothing shameful in God’s works, but that the activity of the reproductive organs is shameful and therefore cannot be assigned to the Creator’s works. Then suddenly he confesses that it was assigned to our bodies not only honorably but justly, not only by God creating but even by God judging! I showed in the third book of my earlier work that the same thing cannot be both punishment and guilt.

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Tamen cum defensor traducis ne tenui quidem possit ab eo ungue deflectere, meumque rhetorica elegantia fatiget pudorem, cur diversis hominibus negotium ipsum commixtionis iuvat hinc ea quae rebus actis convenit, parcitate decernere? Et in hoc ergo loco, et in inferioribus, ubi ego dixi: " Propter hoc relinquet homo patrem et matrem, et adhaerescet uxori; et erunt duo in carne una " [n44] ; ut exprimeret fidem operum Propheta prope periculum pudoris accessit; quasi praedam inveniens gestit, exsultat, et clamat: Aperta prorsus, et vi veritatis, inquit, extorta confessio! Dicatur causa, cur in exprimendis operibus Dei, Propheta prope periculum pudoris accesserit. Itane vero humana opera pudenda esse non debent, sed plane glorianda, et divina pudenda sunt? Itane vero in eloquendis et exprimendis operibus Dei, non honoratur Prophetae vel amor vel labor, sed periclitatur pudor? Quid enim potuit Deus facere, quod eius praedicatorem pudeat dicere? Et quod est gravius, pudeat hominem alicuius operis, quod non homo, sed Deus fecit in homine; cum omnes opifices quantum possunt labore et industria id agant, ne de suis operibus erubescant? Sed profecto illud nos pudet, quod puduit primos illos homines, quando pudenda texerunt; illa est poena peccati, illa plaga vestigiumque peccati, illa illecebra fomesque peccati, illa lex in membris repugnans legi mentis. Huius pudet, et merito pudet. Nam si hoc non esset, quid nobis esset ingratius, quid irreligiosius, si in membris nostris, non de vitio vel poena nostra, sed de Dei confunderemur operibus? [n45] Claruit certe qualiter gestiat; gaudio suo non potest adhibere frenos; tenet meam sententiam, qua concupiscentiam naturalem malam possit ostendere, et diaboli operibus deputare; quam sententiam de ore meo dicit vi veritatis extortam, concionaturque scelestissimum atque profanissimum esse, si ea quae a Deo facta dicamus, pudore operienda fateamur. Sed alacritate commotior non potuit ponderare quid diceret; asserens enim in operibus Dei pudendum nihil esse, operam autem genitalium pudendam esse, et ideo non posse eam Conditoris operibus adscribi; subito confessus est illam non solum honestam, sed etiam iustam; non solum creante Deo, verum etiam iudicante, nostris corporibus attributam. Ostendi in tertio prioris operis libro, non posse idem poenam esse quod culpam.