On the Belly-Speaker against Origen · §5

Criticism of Vague Narratives

Rather, would anyone tell a story about a foolish woman? Then you say, 'no one knew that which is not,' like one speaking against children. Therefore, say how he knew that which is, if he himself did not see by inquiring—neither the upright man, nor the ephod which enclosed him, nor the high-priestly garment? But he, seeing nothing at all, was tossing himself among the people with words, just as you too, through negligence, strike the stable ones with senseless talk.

But the historian, having first set down the name of the belly-storyteller, declared what kind of face he has, being earnest. He then described how he had seen the vision, as is proper for those thinking well about the struck-down; for no one would suppose a madman to observe what is necessary. In a similar way, he said the foolish Saul had known him prophesying, as it would be worthy to think regarding him, being bitterly driven by the demon through such many years (1 Sam 16:14).

But truly, because these things have this manner, the facts themselves make clear that this is false. And so that I might also set up similar things from another example, bring forward the history regarding the prophet Elijah. How then Elijah, being in zeal, reproved the eight hundred false prophets, being fifty in number, to test the order of each in sacrifice—not to bring down fire, but to bring down a shower of fire by prayers, so that from the smoking meteor from heaven it might be manifest to all able to hear, by the fire that God sent from heaven, and from this it might be known who has the authority of the superior, and the better thing might be manifest to all (1 Kings 18).

As he commanded the first ones to perform, those having chosen a bull were melting it as was customary, but those calling upon the four-cornered ritual of the so-called Baal did nothing less, nothing at all.

Not so, but rather, 'and they were being cut according to their custom with knives,' he said, 'and with saws until the shedding of blood.' Then, upon this, the narrative of the writer brings assistance: 'and he was prophesying until the evening meal had passed.' Since, therefore, the letter did not command whether it was prophesying truly or falsely, because of this, would anyone say that those were true prophets?

For it was necessary to have spoken according to the decision of Origen: they were prophesying as they thought it seemed, saying nothing true (since it is not even lawful to trade in such predictions), but not with unentangled and pure utterance, in the words 'and he was prophesying until the evening meal had passed.' So, then, is it possible to see following from the same history of the letter that these things were sufficient for them? For if the writer is the same for both, he draws the mind to be similar from both sides.

But just as here, having placed before us the name of the idol-worshippers, he made manifest according to the meaning that one must suppose concerning such people that they are false prophets lacking in foreknowledge, so also there, having placed before us persons possessed by demons and the dramas of unlawful divination, and according to my silence, he suggested what is fitting for the wise to judge concerning the thoughtless.

But as for such testimonies, if I pass them over, perhaps time will perhaps fail us in saying them; but adding one more image of an example, I shall be satisfied. For truly, in the writing of the Exodus, it was signaled by a prophecy how the Lord himself commanded those around Moses and Aaron to cast the rod to the ground to oppose Pharaoh, so that, having changed its shape into a serpent as a sign, it might strike the Egyptians with fearful blow. And as this happened paradoxically, the ruler, being tormented by folly, in an incapable way summoned at once 'the sophists and the pharmacists of Egypt.' 'And the praisers of the Egyptians also did likewise with their pharmacologies,' he said, 'and each one threw his own rod, and they became dragons; and Aaron's rod swallowed their rods.' Moreover, it is still being mentioned.

Greek

δὴ μᾶλλον, εἰ περὶ γυναικὸς ἐκδιηγοῖτό τις ἔκφρονος; εἶτα λέγεις ὅτι «οὐδεὶς ἔγνω τὸ μὴ ὄν», οἷα μειρακίοις ἄντικρυς ὁμιλῶν. 7.6 εἰπὲ τοίνυν πῶς ἔγνω τὸ ὄν, εἴπερ αὐτὸς οὐκ ἐθεάσατο πυνθανόμενος οὐ τὸν ἄνδρα τὸν ὄρθιον, οὐ τὸ ἐφοὺδ ὃ περιεῖχεν, οὐ τὸ ἀρχιερατικὸν ἱμάτιον; ἀλλ' ὁ οὐδὲν οὐδαμόθεν ὁρῶν ὑποκένοις ἀνερριπίζετο λόγοις, ὥσπερ οὖν ἀμέλει καὶ σὺ κουφολογίᾳ τοὺς ἀστάτους ἀναπτεροῖς. 7.7 ἀλλ' ὁ μὲν ἱστοριογράφος ὄνομα προθεὶς ἐγγαστριμύθου πρῶτον ἐδήλωσεν τὸ πρόσωπον ὁποῖόν ἐστιν, ἐμμανές. εἶθ' οὕτως αὐτὸ τὴν ὀπτασίαν ἑορακέναι διέγραφεν, ὡς πρέπει τοῖς εὖ φρονοῦσιν περὶ τοῦ παραπεπληγμένου νοεῖν· οὐδεὶς γὰρ ἂν ὑπολάβοι φρενοβλαβῆ τινα τὰ δέοντα θεωρεῖν. 7.8 ὁμοίῳ δὲ τρόπῳ καὶ τὸν ἔκφρονα Σαοὺλ ἔφησεν ἐγνωκέναι μαντευόμενον, ὡς ἄξιον ἂν εἴη περὶ ἐκείνου γε νοῆσαι τοῦ τοσαύταις ἐτῶν περιόδοις ἐλαυνομένου πικρῶς ὑπὸ τοῦ δαίμονος. 8.1 Ἀλλὰ μὴν ὅτι γε ταῦτα τοῦτον ἔχει τὸν τρόπον αὐτὰ τὰ πράγματα βοὰς ἀφίησιν ἐναργεῖς. ἵνα δὲ καὶ ἀφ' ἑτέρου τὰ ὅμοια συστήσαιμι παραδείγματος, φέρε 20τὴν ἐπὶ Ἡλίου τοῦ προφήτου προσαγάγωμεν20 ἱστορίαν. 8.2 ὁπηνίκα τοίνυν Ἡλίας ἐνθέῳ διήλεγχε ζήλῳ τοὺς ψευδοπροφήτας ὀκτακοσίους ὄντας πρὸς τοῖς πεντήκοντα τὸν ἀριθμόν, ἠξίου μὲν ἐν θυσίᾳ τὴν ἑκατέρων ἀντεξετάζεσθαι τάξιν, μηδένα δὲ πῦρ ἐπάγειν, ἀλλ' εὐχαῖς ἐπάγεσθαι πυρὸς ἐπιφοράν, ἵνα ἐκ τοῦ κατακομπαζομένου μετεώρου οὐρανόθεν ἔκδηλος μὲν ἂν εἴη πᾶσιν ὁ ἐπακοῦσαι δυνάμενος ἔμφλογι πυρὸς ἀποστολῇ θεός, ἐκ δὲ τούτου διαγινώσκηται τίς ἡ τοῦ κρείττονος ἐξουσία, καὶ πᾶσι φανερὸν ἂν εἴη γε τὸ ἄμεινον. 8.3 ὡς οὖν ἐπέταττε πρώτοις ἐπιτελεῖν ἐκείνοις, οἱ μὲν ἐπιλεξάμενοι βοΐδιον ἐμέλιζον εἰωθότως, ἐπικαλούμενοι δὲ δὴ τὸ τετράμορφον ἐμμελέτημα τοῦ καλουμένου Βάαλ οὐδὲν ἧττον ἔπραττον, οὐδὲν οὐδαμῶς. οὐ μὴν ἀλλά γε «καὶ κατετέμνοντο κατὰ τὸ ἔθος αὐτῶν μαχαίραις» ἔφη «καὶ σειρομάσταις ἕως ἐκχύσεως αἵματος». 8.4 εἶτα ἐπὶ τούτοις ἡ διηγηματικὴ τοῦ συγγραφέως ἐπιφέρει βοή· «καὶ προεφήτευον ἕως παρῆλθε τὸ δειλινόν». ἐπεὶ τοίνυν οὐ διέστειλε τὸ γράμμα πότερον ἀληθῆ προὐφήτευον ἢ ψευδῆ, παρὰ τοῦτο φαίη τις ἂν ἐκείνους εἶναι προφήτας ἀληθεῖς; 8.5 ἔδει γὰρ εἰρηκέναι κατὰ τὴν Ὠριγένους ἀπόφασιν· ἐπροεφήτευον ὡς ᾤοντο τῷ δοκεῖν, μηδὲν ἀληθὲς λέγοντες (ἐπεὶ μηδὲ θέμις <λέγειν> ἐμπολιτεύεσθαι ἐν αὐτοῖς πρόγνωσιν), ἀλλ' οὐκ ἀνεπιπλόκῳ καὶ καθαρᾷ προφωνῆσαι λέξει «καὶ προεφήτευον ἕως παρῆλθε τὸ δειλινόν». 8.6 ἆρ' οὖν ἀκολούθως ἐκ τῆς αὐτῆς τοῦ γράμματος ἱστορίας ἔστιν ἰδεῖν ὅτι ταῦτα ἐκείνοις ἐπέοικεν· εἰ γὰρ ὁ αὐτός ἐστιν ἑκατέρων ὁ συγγραφεύς, ὅμοιον ἐξ ἀμφοῖν ἀνάγει τὸν νοῦν. 8.7 ἀλλ' ὥσπερ ἐνταῦθα τὸ τῶν εἰδωλολατρῶν ὄνομα προτάξας ἐδήλωσεν κατὰ ἔννοιαν ὅτι χρὴ περὶ τῶν τοιούτων ὑπολαμβάνειν ὡς εἰσὶν ψευδοπροφῆται λειπόμενοι προγνώσεως, οὕτω κἀκεῖ πρόσωπα δαιμονιζόμενα προτάξας καὶ μαντείας ἀθεμίτου δράματα, κατὰ ἀποσιώπησιν ἐμήνυσεν τί δέοι περὶ τῶν ἐκφρόνων δοξάζειν τοὺς ἔμφρονας. 9.1 Ἀλλὰ τὰ τοιαῦτα μὲν εἰ παραφέροιμι μαρτύρια, τάχα ἴσως ὁ χρόνος ἡμᾶς ἐπιλείψει λέγοντας· ἄλλην δὲ μίαν παραδείγματος εἰκόνα προσθεὶς ἀρκεσθήσομαι. 20τοιγαροῦν ἐν τῷ τῆς Ἐξόδου κατασεσήμανται20 προγράμματι πῶς ἐπέταττε τοῖς ἀμφὶ Μωσέα καὶ Ἀαρὼν αὐτὸς ὁ κύριος εἰς ἔδαφος ἐκρίψειν τὴν ῥάβδον ἀντικρὺ Φαραώ, ἵνα εἰς ὄφιν ἀμείψασα τὸ σχῆμα σημείῳ καταπλήξοι φοβερῷ τοὺς Αἰγυπτίους. 9.2 ὡς δὲ τοῦτο ἐγίνετο παραδόξως, ὁ δυνάστης ἀνοίᾳ φενακιζόμενος ἀβούλῳ συνεκαλέσατο μὲν ὁμόσε «τοὺς σοφιστὰς καὶ τοὺς φαρμακοὺς Αἰγύπτου». «ἐποίησαν» δὲ «καὶ οἱ ἐπαοιδοὶ τῶν Αἰγυπτίων» ἔφη «ταῖς φαρμακείαις αὐτῶν ὡσαύτως, καὶ ἔρριψεν ἕκαστος τὴν ἑαυτοῦ ῥάβδον, καὶ ἐγένοντο δράκοντες· καὶ κατέπιεν ἡ ῥάβδος Ἀαρὼν τὰς ἐκείνων ῥάβδους». 9.3 ἔτι γε μὴν ἀναφερόμενόν ἐστιν

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Eustathius against Origen on the witch of Endor / belly-speaker (1 Samuel 28).

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